Karen VanHouten swings by the podcast to share thoughts on how to achieve fulfillment – for ourselves, our teams and the environment we design for them to thrive. Also, more reasons why silos and elite cliques are never a good thing.

Welcome to the practical design leadership podcast! 
International design leaders Jaan Orvet and Justin Dauer talk openly and frankly with designers from around the world who have made design leadership a success for practitioners and clients alike. It's all about practical design leadership.

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